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[Soiax]

Hello,

I just finished reading "Beyond the Shadows" und it's been a real joy to read a book where strange things happen but nothing seems to be odd! For example the singing in the end...I didn't understand that part but I also didn't even wonder...I really appreciate your work that made me completely feel the situations.
I just had one problem...it's in the end, wenn Kylar gives the kakari back to Durzo...why is that? I thought Durzo doesn't want it anymore and wants to spend the rest of his now limited lifetime with Momma K?! Why does he want the kakari back?
I am from germany though so maybe I had some little misunderstandings, but I really hope someone can tell me the clou of this!

best regards

[Starhammer]

Kylar was about to go into Ezra's Wood to try and retrieve Curoch. For whatever reason(s) Durzo didn't want Kylar to do that (he probably knew Kylar would get himself killed again/caught/whatever) so he tricked Kylar, knocked him out and used the devourer to get in and get Curoch. Durzo obviously has the most experience out of anyone alive with Ezra's Wood.

[Soiax]

Thanks for your reply!

I'm sorry but I didn't mean this situation, I mean the one in the end, when Elene just died and they stand together all about to touch curouch. I remember the passage to be like:"...he had something demanding in his eyes. So he willed the kakari into his palm to form an orb and handed it over..." Most likely not the exact words but what I remember! ;-) Sorry I'm at work and don't have the book available.

I red the part about 10 times and can't get the clou for sure...one guess was, that during the fight against Kahli Durzo has possession of the kakari and hands it back over to Kylar but I'm absolutely not sure about that. I remember that it is only possible to give the kakari willingly away and that Kylar actually did this in the situation you discribe but in the battle Kylar got the kakari with him - covering corouch to hide it from the hunter...

[Inches]

Yea, this is odd. "Kylar understood, and let the ka'kari flow out of his hand, and gave it to Durzo." Then "Durzo had Retribution--Irues--in hand. It was black-bladed" then he whispered something to Dorian and gave it to him. So actually, Dorian has the black ka'kari last we know.

Why would Durzo give it to Dorian? Couldn't Durzo do anything that Dorian should have been able to do?

Maybe Dorian has something do to with Dorian's old lives??

Maybe Brent will weigh in on this...

[Vlaal, Nmaar da Hraukiti Yi-Nma]

well, Ezra come to Kylar in his dream, which means Kylar had the ka'kari back, so dorian doesn't have it.
But one of the things that stick in my mind was "Dorian the Mad" was the greatest healer in living memory. Meaning he healed Black Barrow. Durzo wasn't a healer to Dorian's calibre and Durzo knew it, that's why he gave it to Dorian.

[Soiax]

Yep, I got this part the same way...dorian being the greatest healer and healing black barrow.

But I'm not so sure if Ezras appearance in Kylars dream really means he has the kakari back...Ezra was quite a skilled mage and for sure even his spirit might still know some tricks. And why would Dorian need the kakari for magic? He just ripped the Vir out and was still able to use the normal talent, or did I get that wrong - does the kakari amplify magic? What did Durzo in this case know about the powers of the kakari?
I mean ok, it is the devourer and for sure also can devour the krul and ferali etc but then is the question again, what did Dorian really do? Healing with the devourer? And why was Dorian needed for this step then, wouldn't Durzo be the better choice then for any actions requiering the kakari - I mean he lived with using it for 700 years and is for sure more capable of using the kakari?

[Vlaal, Nmaar da Hraukiti Yi-Nma]

yeah, but i'd say that the ka'kari would be a different kind of magic. and as for durzo using Iures and Curoch to heal black barrow, i still think that Dorian would be the one. Durzo was a fighter, not a mage. Dorian ripped the Vir out of himself using the Talent, so i'd say he still got some left in him!
But it wouldn't have stated that Dorian the Mad was the most talented healer in living memory of durzo was better...

[Soiax]

Hm, but Durzo also discovered how to heal himself at an incredible-rate - he teaches Kylar during the fight against the giant in the end. So he knows at least some stuff about healing. Nonetheless Dorian appears to be the more talented healer at all...
As you say the kakari is a different kind of magic...how does Dorian know anything about it? I don't say Durzo is a better healer...I just say he is more used to the kakari than anyone else even could be...

Maybe the kakari got destroyed during the "healing"?! It doesn't appear after the last scene at black barrow...but the Chamber still exists as we know of Ezras last words to Kylar:"Hope to not see you in the chamber to soon!". I'm still not sure who has the kakari because these words may also mean that Kylar is mortal again and Ezra just does some "live long and prosper"-thing! ;-)
On the other hand he also says:"You're no man to be forgotten...!". Which looks like a typical cliffhanger for the next books but doesn't answer my question neither! :-(

Anyone has a good idea, what actually happened to the kakari after Black Barrow?