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Has anyone else noticed that Kip and Ironfist were never introduced? In chapter 29 Kip talks about Ironfist and Tremblefist by name but Gavin never introduced them so he wouldn't know their names! Also, how does Gavin and Corvan know that Liv defected? Is Brent going to fix this!? I hate mistakes like this. He needs to get on his copy editor! Not in a literal sense, obviously, the man is married!

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Comment by The Kelvinator on May 25, 2014 at 5:10pm

I look forward to it, it's been too quiet over there lately!

Comment by Jack Draper on May 25, 2014 at 4:53pm
Yeah, I'm new here so I'm still trying to figure stuff out. Honestly I wouldn't notice these things on my own either but my wife works for a publishing company and tells me about stuff regarding her job and little quirks to look for in writing. Thanks for the advice about the forums, I'm totally gonna light that place up now!
Comment by The Kelvinator on May 24, 2014 at 12:33am

I'd need to reread the book to check, but I'm pretty sure I remember Kip finding out about the names of Ironfist and Tremblefist at some point through dialogue with Ironfist. I'm not sure about the chronology though, so it could easily come after Kip starts thinking of Ironfist as Ironfist for all I know. I do agree that if Kip starts thinking of Ironfist as Ironfist before he could know his name (bearing in mind that if there's any time lapse between when he starts referring to him by name and when he's not, he could have found out in the interim) then that is a mistake.

I'd also need to reread for the Liv thing. This is the sort of thing I miss very easily I'm afraid, and if I do notice it I tend to just move on and forget about it.

Also, for future reference, you'd be more likely to get more people commenting if you posted things like this in the forum, rather than as a blog post.

Comment by Jack Draper on May 21, 2014 at 6:54am
If you want more proof, keep reading. Kip refers to Ironfist, via dialogue, by his name without ever hearing it from anyone.
Comment by Jack Draper on May 21, 2014 at 6:49am
See, I disagree. For instance, though it is an intimate third person perspective it doesn't mean that the narration can take too many liberties. That is why when you meet a new character they have to be introduced. The reader may already know who someone is bit the character does not. That is why sometimes stories have to be retold and people need to be reintroduced. It would be weird to justify Weeks talking about someone, by name, who has never been in the story before by saying, "it's okay because the character knows who this person is." So, by extension, you can't make the same justification of not introducing someone because the reader already knows who they are.
Comment by ZimboFan on May 13, 2014 at 2:08am

I went back and read this. There is actually no problem with this. I think that the issue arises from what I think is a slight misunderstanding on your part on the TYPE of narration. Brent does not, in this book use first person narration. He uses a fairly intimate form of third person which allows us to access the emotions of the characters, but this should not be mistaken for us seeing directly from the POV of the characters. To compare, look at the Nine Kings Cards Chapters in the Blinding Knife. There is a big difference between this first person view and the rest of the book.

In this specific case, the narrator notes in the previous chapter that Gavin recognises the two brothers and using his knowledge names them. It would then actually be weird to then re-introduce them at a later stage, and they continue to be spoken of by their name. Kip actually is still finding out who Ironfist is in the 32nd chapter.

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